Glenn Beck Coming to Southeast Idaho This 4th of July – Not everyone is excited – especially not local newspaper commentator Tom Walsh

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    by lester on July 1, 2010

      Conservatives love him, liberals despise him, but one thing is for sure – Fox News host and radio news celebrity Glenn Beck can draw a crowd, and he’s coming to Southeast Idaho.  Glen will be on location in Driggs this 4th of July.  But some people aren’t excited about him being here.  Tom Walsh, who is famous in southeast Idaho for his well written pieces found in newspapers throughout southeast Idaho, is upset about Glenn Beck being here.  And who can blame him?  Glenn Beck is a man known for speaking his mind regardless of what others might think about it.  He’s a very polarizing figure.  And Driggs is one of the few places in Southeast Idaho where a liberal can be a liberal without getting conservative views jammed down your throat on a regular basis. 

      Walsh points out in his article:

      “Mr. Beck brings naught but hatred and lies to his audience, many of whom rarely read anything meaningful;  people who are content who get their information though the filter of Rupert Murdoch’s Fox news.” …

      …“ More than a few Teton Valley residents are disturbed that the Huntsmans would bring such a divisive figure as Beck to appear, particularly on a weekend that celebrates the birth of our nation.  Are the people trying to attract to the valley folks who revel in the hate speech of Beck? In many circles he is condemned as a racist.   Is that the message we want to project in Teton Valley?   Many of us thought the Huntsman operation was classier than this.  As for you Mr. Beck; Hate speech is never American.“

      (Tom Walsh’s full article can be found here)

      Others in the area (likely a minority) are supportive of Glenn Beck coming to the area.  Local resident Marlene Robson Felt writes:

      …”We do not want Tom Walsh speaking for us. Teton Valley is our home also.We would like to thank the Huntsman Family for inviting Glenn Beck to Huntsman Springs on July 3, and thank Beck for accepting the invitation.We have been listening to and watching Beck for the past couple years and we certainly have not heard a message of hatred. The message we have heard is:
      1. Study the Constitution.
      2. Study our founding fathers.
      3. Demand honesty and integrity from our elected officials. Know who you are voting for and know their values and principles.
      4. Question with boldness.
      5. Know what you believe in and stand up for it.
      6. Pray for our president.
      7. Pray for America.”…

      (Marlene Robson full comments can be found here

      Does what Glenn Beck say qualify as hate speech?   Is Glenn Beck the right person to be coming to Driggs?  What are your thoughts?

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      1 Yolanda July 1, 2010 at 4:19 pm

      Isn’t Tom Walsh being a bit of a hypocrite? After reading his article he sounds pretty hateful. I guess there’s a reason he’s known around as a “nutcase”.

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      2 Anonymous July 1, 2010 at 4:31 pm

      Beck is a prostitute who says whatever he’s getting paid to say. Look at his views when he was on CNN and compare them to how they suddenly got radically right when he went to Fox.

      Watch this video where Jon Stewart exposes Glenn Beck for the paid prostitute he is. Can you make sense of what Beck thinks about health care? Be advised that for some reason the video starts over less than a minute in so you actually see the first part twice. It shows how Beck thought we had the greatest health care system in early 2009 when he was a paid Fox commentator but just one year earlier he was trashing our health care system while on CNN.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2mhpqCPpuE

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      3 Anon July 1, 2010 at 4:46 pm

      Glen Beck is one of the greatest progressives of our time. He actually stands for something and bashes both the Democrats and Republicans when they’re off base. You got to respect him for that.

      Anonymous, cant you understand that something can be the “Best in the world” and still have problems? It’s absolutely true – we do have the best health care service in the world – bar none. People from all over the world come to get treatment from the USA because we have the best doctors. We have the best doctors because the smartest and brightest go to school for 9 years plus to get trained – and they do it so they can make tons of $200+ per hour. But people who take advantage of insurance companies, don’t watch costs, and go to the emergency room or doctors office at every sniffle. It blows costs through the roof when people don’t watch costs and shop around.

      So, yes, we have the best system, and yes it has it’s problems. duh…

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      4 Jim July 1, 2010 at 9:18 pm

      Glen Beck is using a military veterans group, Special Ops Warriors, to raise money for himself. Just like Sean Hannity’s Patriots Freedon Festivals. Hannity claims to raise money for veterans and chidren of fallen veterens but the problem is less than 3% of the millions in donations go to vets and their children. The res goes to Hannity, Hannity and his private jet to take him and his family from concert to concert then he gets a $25K minimun appearence fee. With Becks group Beck gets the 75% of money the remaining 25% goes to logistics for appearences and $1.87 goes to the Special Ops Warriors. Yea Beck is a real brave bastard.

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      5 Alan July 2, 2010 at 3:04 am

      To Anon, the World Health Organization rankings do not show that the USA is the best in the world. Please think for yourself and look at the facts!

      Rankings by Country.
      1 France
      2 Italy
      3 San Marino
      4 Andorra
      5 Malta
      6 Singapore
      7 Spain
      8 Oman
      9 Austria
      10 Japan
      11 Norway
      12 Portugal
      13 Monaco
      14 Greece
      15 Iceland
      16 Luxembourg
      17 Netherlands
      18 United Kingdom
      19 Ireland
      20 Switzerland
      21 Belgium
      22 Colombia
      23 Sweden
      24 Cyprus
      25 Germany
      26 Saudi Arabia
      27 United Arab Emirates
      28 Israel
      29 Morocco
      30 Canada
      31 Finland
      32 Australia
      33 Chile
      34 Denmark
      35 Dominica
      36 Costa Rica
      37 United States of America

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      6 Robert Stevenson July 2, 2010 at 10:45 am

      Many of you seem eager to condemn what in my opinion is a true American patriot. You may not agree with him, but he stands up for REAL American Values, such as free speech, the second amendment, the 10th amendment (most progressive dismiss that part of our constitution as irrelevant), religious freedom, not freedom from religion, and the list goes on. Beck is no more a racist than Martin Luther King, but it’s easy obviously for many of you to simply characterize him as such because someone told you that is what he is. You don’t have to agree with his politics, but accept his right as an American to profess his beliefs in the public forum, without fear of condemnation and ridicule. What is his crime, that he doesn’t “lay down” and accept the progressive’s doctrine of a “Nanny State”, and government making our decisions for us? I’d rather make my own decisions, and suffer the consequences, than to have the government do the “deciding” for me, and I still have to pay the price. At least I still have some control over my own life, but we won’t continue to enjoy that freedom if everything is done for the good of the “collective”. Maybe a few of you ought to read Orwell’s “Animal Farm” and “1984″, you will see it is descriptive of what this administration is acquiescing to right now. Be your own person, or be what someone tells you to be, your choice. I prefer the former myself.

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      7 Robert Stevenson July 2, 2010 at 10:58 am

      Jim July 1, 2010 at 9:18 pm
      Glen Beck is using a military veterans group, Special Ops Warriors, to raise money for himself. Just like Sean Hannity’s Patriots Freedom Festivals. Hannity claims to raise money for veterans and chidren of fallen veterans but the problem is less than 3% of the millions in donations go to vets and their children. The res goes to Hannity, Hannity and his private jet to take him and his family from concert to concert then he gets a $25K minimum appearence fee. With Becks group Beck gets the 75% of money the remaining 25% goes to logistics for appearences and $1.87 goes to the Special Ops Warriors. Yea Beck is a real brave bastard.
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      Must be nice to have the “IN” on all the financial wranglings of the Fox News commentators. You bigot, you have no more clue as to what goes to the vets than the “man in the moon”, so climb down off you damn pedestal and join the real world. If you don’t like
      Beck, Hannity, or O’Reilly, that’s fine, but don’t make accusations you can back up, or substantiate, because unfortunately many people probably don’t see you for the phony you obviously are. By the way, just exactly what have you done in the way of service to our country, or to our Vets, while we’re at it. Let’s see you make something else up! Watch out, your progressive roots are showing my “friend”. Ummmm, Ummmm, Ummmm, Barrack Hussein Obama, is that your evening lullaby? Oh, and by the way please say hi to Chris Matthews for us all while you’re at it you DIPSTICK!

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      8 Jim July 2, 2010 at 1:13 pm

      Oh Bobby Boy is that all you got?. I must of struck a nerve with an idiot that hangs on every word some Fox News psycho spouts as it were Gospel.
      BTW Roberto I did 26 years more than half of it with SF and You Sir are an IDIOT!.

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      9 Sherri July 2, 2010 at 2:14 pm

      Maybe everyone who has an opinion either way should wait until Glenn Beck has a chance to speak. I’m not a huge fan, I’ve listened to him on both CNN and Fox News, and mostly find him inflammatory and overly excitable.
      However, I listened to him speak two years ago in Provo at their 4th of July celebration, and I have to say he delivered a very moving speech. It had nothing to do with current politics, he was speaking of our nations’ history, which is what the 4th of July holiday is all about.

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      10 Robert Stevenson July 2, 2010 at 2:44 pm

      You did 26 years, most of it with SF? Your acronyms are elusive my friend. Are you referring to San Francisco, which would really not surprise me much, or was it Science Fiction that you were referring to. As for the demonization of anyone that doesn’t acquiesce to your radical progressive views I admit to being guilty as charged. You can’t realistically expect the “average reader” (a concept which I’m sure is foreign to you) to accept your partisans rants without at a bare minimum some form documentation or authentication. Who told you about the distribution of funds, Rachael Maddow, or Chris Matthews? Come on, you can do better than that “Jimmy Boy”. Simply because you in your infinite wisdom don’t agree with Beck’s point of view doesn’t necessarily make him the “bad guy”, it merely makes him someone with a different perspective. As far as your statements relative to the distribution of funds elicited by Hannity, or byBeck, I find it rather ironic that only you seem to have the inside track on such reprehensible conduct. You have to know that your left wing MSM would have been all over such a story like “white on rice”, were there any merit to it. You missed your calling, you should have been a fiction writer, because you obviously are quite adept at creating your own facts. Put up, or shut up, let’s see something a little more substantive that accusations, or are they what they appear to be, merely your own assumptions based on a political bias. And you called me an idiot, ever heard of the Pot and the Kettle?

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      11 Anonymous July 2, 2010 at 3:06 pm

      I find it somewhat disingenuous that the left, who during the last election cycle were touting themselves as the party that would be known as the great “uniters”, subsequently have done nothing but polarize Americans, one against the other. The rantings on here about Glenn Beck, and the simple fact that he would be appearing in Driggs, Ida, has some of you almost apoplectic. What are you afraid of, that he might give a patriotic speech on Independence Day? That’s the 4th of July for you Progressives out there. Yep, the far left has led us into a new era of prosperity haven’t they! Of course it’s all Bush’s fault, we know that from listening to the “enlightened one”. Come on folks, give it a break, at let’s have a go at being Americans for a change, rather than political partisans? I miss those days when we could simply agree to disagree, without feeling compelled to demonize one another.

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      12 Jim July 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm

      Roberto…obviously you never served in the military. Your maturity would of made your short time in the service memorable lol. Drill Sergeants just love little punkasses like you. My time is the service was spent in 11B/V/P series (Infantry) and 18 Series CF (Special Forces). Seriously Roberto I didn’t mean to offend your Fox News Idols…they’re not worth the time to bash. Check the bottom of Beck’s website about supporting Special Ops.

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      13 hecowe July 2, 2010 at 6:33 pm

      Glenn Beck’s coming? Then we’ll come all day with our wallets open.

      I read Tom Walsh’s piece — it’s interesting how many “…”‘s there were in the section where he quoted Glenn Beck. Walsh wouldn’t be taking anything out of context, would he? As in, Tom Walsh “is … the most … hilarious … self-published author … in Idaho … today.” That, too, is an “undated quote.”

      Liberals love to deny others their freedom of speech. Shut them down, call them names, ridicule them. It’s over — we “little people” know your tactics now. If you don’t like Glenn Beck, don’t come listen. We’ll have a lovely day without you.

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      14 Doug July 2, 2010 at 9:34 pm

      Alan,
      Instead of regurgitating the trash you read off of Huffington Post you should probably follow your own advice to “think for yourself and look at the facts.” First of all the last time the WHO ranked health care was in 2000, so the data is outdated. Second the criteria they use for their rankings is heavily weighted toward socialized medicine. To help you out in researching the “facts” the formula they use are as follows:
      1. Health Level: 25%
      2. Heath Distribution: 25%
      3. Responsiveness: 12.5%
      4. Responsivensess Distribution: 12.5%
      5. Financial Fairness: 25%

      Now, I will leave the rest of the research as to what each of these factors mean up to you….please read and understand them before spouting off what you read in far left liberal trash…..

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      15 Anonymous July 4, 2010 at 8:24 am

      When did we become so divided?

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      16 Anonymous July 4, 2010 at 9:12 am

      Anonymous, I’ve thought that a lot lately. What the hell happened? Did I grow up and start paying attention to what was going on? Did the TV news just get louder and more demanding of our attention?

      I have a hard time believing that everyone with an opinion is either a crazy liberal or an overbearing conservative.

      What happened to having conversations and reviewing ideas? I can’t even watch TV news anymore. It’s become so dramatized that you might as well watch “Jersey Shore”, it has just about as much substance.

      Are both groups really this polarized?

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      17 Alice July 4, 2010 at 9:12 am

      Sorry, that anonymous was me ;)

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      18 Robert Stevenson July 5, 2010 at 3:47 pm

      Comment:
      When did we become so divided?
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      Answer: When those in government realized you must divide to conquer. Keep the people polarized against one another so that they don’t see what is actually happening to our country.

      Everyone seems seek and strive for diversity, but a diverse nation will not survive, a united nation will. We don’t need Mexican Americans, or Italian Americans, or Black Americans, we simply need one people, TRUE AMERICANS, with the best interests of their country, not themselves, at heart. It’s a lofty goal to strive for, but we were there once, we can be again, God willing!

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      19 Robert Stevenson July 5, 2010 at 4:02 pm

      July 2, 2010 at 3:56 pm
      Roberto…obviously you never served in the military. Your maturity would of made your short time in the service memorable lol. Drill Sergeants just love little punkasses like you. My time is the service was spent in 11B/V/P series (Infantry) and 18 Series CF (Special Forces). Seriously Roberto I didn’t mean to offend your Fox News Idols…they’re not worth the time to bash. Check the bottom of Beck’s website about supporting Special Ops.
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      Well Jimbo you’re wrong again. I may not have spent 26 yrs in the “SF”, and I have serious reservations that you did either, but if you did I respect and honor you for your service. I only did four years in the Navy, and only one tour in Viet Nam as a pilot rescue swimmer, before being stationed in Norfolk, Va., and then for the last nine months in Gitmo.

      I don’t brag about my service because to me it was an honor to serve. It was even more to me, it was my way of giving back to my country. Oh, and you can ram the “punk ass” up yours my less than eloquent friend. You’re the typical tipped over to the left progressive, that rather than have a rational dialogue with someone, feels the motivation to demonize, and pillory someone they know nothing about. All it takes to bring on the attack is someone’s not acquiescing to their every word. Sorry ………….you’ve done nothing to convince me except spew vitriolic diatribe all throughout your posts. Hope you have another outlet for your pent up aggression, it’s not healthy.

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      20 Bundy July 5, 2010 at 11:09 pm

      Now that is the pot calling the kettle black. Robert, it would appear that you are engaging in the very type of behavior that you decry. How is it having rational dialogue (that you claim to want) when you tell Jimbo to ram it up his ass. I often find that many of the liberals who espouse free speech certainly don’t want speech for those that disagree with them. If they can’t sensor then it seems that they want to drag people into the gutter with them. My advice to you is to take the high ground. Be proud of your service and don’t let Jimbo drag you through the mud.

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      21 Sean July 10, 2010 at 12:49 am

      Glenn needs to take a chill pill.

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      22 Gary July 10, 2010 at 12:49 am

      Glenn needs more than one chill pill.

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      23 Robert Stevenson July 10, 2010 at 1:08 pm

      Bundy, point well taken, and you actually are right. Unfortunately after a time, and constant bombardment by the indoctrinated Left Wing lemmings, and their vitriol and demonization of that which doesn’t fit their views of the world, it’s hard to stay focused simply on the
      issue(s) being discussed. It’s like stubbing your toe for the tenth time, or hitting your finger for the umpteenth time with a hammer, when you finally disgorge an expletive to soften the blow. It is atypical of your normal code of conduct, and you regret it sometimes after having done so, but at the time it really makes you feel just a little bit better. I’ll try to be a bit more composed when reading the likes of Jim’s posts in the future. Sorry!

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      24 Roper July 12, 2010 at 10:14 am

      I don’t particularly like his politics, but Gleenn beck is a showman. He would be entertaining.

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      25 boomer July 12, 2010 at 12:06 pm

      Big deal.
      The people who wanted to go see Beck went. The ones who didn’t. didn’t.

      Nothing changed. Beck said what he was expected to say, took the money, and split. The folks who lied him before he showed up liked him, and the ones who didn’t like him before didn’t like him any better after.

      It was just the same old thing that’s been going on all year.

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      26 Robert Stevenson July 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm

      You know Jim if you did a little research on your own, instead of your obsequious assimilation of every word spoken by MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, or radio host Bill Press, maybe your facts would be accurate, rather than dramatize for maximum effect. Glen Beck’s Special Ops Warriors Fund has, according to that group, contributed over $2 million dollars to their charity. It is SOP for an event such as the up coming Glenn Beck 8/28 “Restoring Honor” rally in Washington, D.C. to use donations first to pay associated expenses such as audio, video, stage, restrooms, etc. before money goes to the charity. Well just for your info, and this is seven weeks before the event, those costs have already been paid. For the next seven weeks all funds will go to the “Special Operations Warrior Foundation”, and they are expecting a considerable amount to be realized. Neither Glenn Beck, nor Sarah Palin who will also be there, are taking any funds or collecting speaking fees, and Glenn has made a considerable donation of his own funds to the organization. It amazes me that people like yourself are so willing to pillory someone you know nothing about simply because they have a different view or opinion than yourself. It sure must “suck” to be you. Take a Prozac, or a Haloperidol and relax my bigoted, and partisan friend.

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      27 Joe Wise August 1, 2010 at 7:42 am

      I am just wondering why Tom Walsh would suggest that Glenn Beck brings “hatred and lies” to his audience. That seems like a pretty “hateful” thing to say.
      I’ m also wondering if Walsh or anyone else could find a single “hateful”comment or statement in any of Glenn Beck’s writings or statements. I do not believe you will find them.
      Tom Walsh is a very liberal writer. So I’m wondering what Tom Wash is trying to accomplish with his attacks on Beck. Liberals often trash conservatives just because they disagree. This looks like another example of the same. As Walsh continues his diatribe on all conservatives, he continues to lose credibility.
      The tactic of attacking the messenger rather than arguing the message
      Is far too apparent in all of Walsh’s writings.

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      28 Robert Stevenson August 1, 2010 at 8:59 pm

      You know these ad hominem attacks are standard operating procedure for the liberal progressives. They don’t deal in substance, but rather in personal attacks and character assassination. You either accept their liberal agenda, or you are to be abased and demonized. Don’t ever confuse a progressive with common sense, reason, logic, or even facts, because those are modalities they refuse to deal in. They’re all rhetoric, and no substance, but they will stop at nothing to disparage those with opposing views. Fair, objective, unbiased, and non partisan are not identified as part of their methodology.

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      29 Guest August 2, 2010 at 12:27 pm

      Thank you Robert Stevenson for providing a perfect example of what you are preaching against.

      No group has cornered the market on common sense, reason, logic, facts, substance, fairness, or objectivity. Not liberals, and certainly not conservatives. Anyone proclaiming so is a false prophet and ought to be shunned.

      Is the Andrew Breitbart and Shirley Sherrod affair proof that only liberals engage in character assassination?

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      30 Robert Stevenson August 2, 2010 at 1:55 pm

      I suggest to you that no matter which side engages in mean spirited and undeserved character assassination it is reprehensible and repugnant. You point out Andrew Breitbart and Shirley Sherrod. I suggest to you Glenn Beck, Sara Palin, Sean Hannity, and any number of conservatives that have been unjustly demonized for having different views on the issues by the Left. Not necessarily the wrong views, just different one. Pres. Obama is a prime example with his vilification of Gov. Brewer of Arizona for being racially insensitive for doing exactly what Fed. law says he himself should be doing. He again did the same thing with the Professor Henry Gates fiasco when he characterized officer Crowley’s actions as “acting stupidly”, without any justification, or without having any of the facts. I don’t pretend to be so naive as to suggest that character assassination is the province of one party, but I do suggest that a majority of the instances of this type of conduct seem to be coming from the left. I fail to see where your party has somehow acquired the “moral high ground” in this regard. You don’t justify one wrong by pointing out another. I firmly believed it ought to be condemned on both sides, and by both parties, regardless of who the guilty party is.

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      31 Guest August 3, 2010 at 11:41 am

      “I fail to see where your party has somehow acquired the “moral high ground” in this regard.” You are not only wrong, you are making up conclusions. Where did I say my party, or that I am attached to a party? If you had as much common sense as you claim you would know not to make such an assumption.

      “…I do suggest that a majority of the instances of this type of conduct seem to be coming from the left.” Wrong again, there is no MAJORITY of instances coming from either side. Both sides commit these wrongs, and just about equally over time. I agree two wrongs don’t make a right, but you are claiming it’s black and white, good vs. evil, and you are wrong to think and say that the worse of it is coming from one group of people. Or at least that’s what you communicated before you backpedaled in your last sentence. Now who knows what you think, you’ve flip-flopped yourself. It’s okay to admit you were wrong, but don’t try to say two opposite things in the same paragraph.

      I encourage you to carefully re-read your comment #28, carefully re-read my comment #29, consider the words I wrote, and respond in a direct manner to what I said.

      Recap:

      “Don’t ever confuse a progressive with common sense, reason, logic, or even facts, because those are modalities they refuse to deal in.” I replied that nobody has the market on these things, and instead of reasoning why you think that, you dodge, attack from another angle, and then try to lump me into the enemy you have constructed out of fellow Americans who think differently from you.

      “They’re all rhetoric, and no substance, but they will stop at nothing to disparage those with opposing views.” Are you saying this about liberals or conservatives? I’m confused here since you say this at the same time as putting out all rhetoric and no substance, and disparage those with opposing views.

      “[Obama] characterized officer Crowley’s actions as “acting stupidly”, without any justification, or without having any of the facts” Since you’re into facts, read what the full statement was. That same sentence ended with “…when there was already proof that they were in their own home.” A couple days later he admitted those two choice words were not the best choice, and said “my impression of [the police officer] is that he was an outstanding police officer”.

      I’m just saying you ought to tone down your extreme-ended comments. When you speak in ‘the sky is falling’ extremes, it is hard to take you seriously. The extremist statements undermine valid core conservative philosophies. Examples:

      “ad hominem attacks are SOP for liberals”

      “either accept their liberal agenda, or you are to be abased and demonized”

      “Don’t ever confuse a progressive with common sense, reason, logic, or even facts”

      “they will stop at nothing to disparage those with opposing views”

      Do you see the same pattern?

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      32 Anonymous August 3, 2010 at 5:48 pm

      Robert Stevenson has become exactly that he rails against.

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      33 Robert Stevenson August 6, 2010 at 8:37 am

      You know I did as you suggested, and I went back and reviewed the comments I had made. You say I’m becoming what I rail against. I maintain that if you can’t see the obvious trend towards demagoguery and ad hominem attacks (attack the messenger, not the message) on the left then you are looking at the issue through “one way glass”, the Chris Matthews version. Last night in one of his many diatribes Pres. Obama said the Right has no new ideas, and is the party of no. Well maybe a “new idea” is to say no to this administration’s agenda before it destroys our country. If you wish to live in a “Nanny State” with the government making your decisions for you that’s fine, but I don’t believe that is the hope of most Americans. They say Republicans have no ideas, how would he know? Pelosi and Reid won’t even bring the other party’s bills or amendments to the floor for debate. I respect your right to disagree, but at the same time I propose that you might try being fair and objective in your critique. In earlier posts I mentioned just a couple of the numerous examples I was referring to relative to the attack mentality of the left, and you disregarded those without the blink of an eye, but then turned around and suggested I was becoming what I railed against? Someone asked if anyone saw a pattern here, and the answer is yes, you bet I do, but it isn’t in my posts, it’s in the responses to them. By disregarding facts, and by mischaracterizing the author, you make my point for me.

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      34 Guest August 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm

      Do you remember a year or so ago when Obama had that lunch with Republicans, answered their questions, and broadcast it on TV? It was big news because of how candid the back and forth was between them. I’m sure it’s still on youtube or somewhere.

      Each time the Republicans complained that Obama wasn’t paying attention to their ideas, each time he was able to respond directly to that person about their ideas, as in “Shirley, I read your proposal for XYZ, but when I showed it to my economists they had data to show why it would not work, or it was too vague. You have to bring me ideas that are specific and are backed up by economic proof.” It was clear he had seen, paid attention to, and considered their ideas.

      Republicans simply keep offering vague ideas that are not backed by economic evidence, but pander nicely to the Fox news demographic. In that meeting every Republican question actually a mini-political speech and questions framed in impossible terms, like “Mr. President if you love America why don’t you pass my bill?”

      One lady went on and on for about 5 minutes, prompting Obama to ask her if there was going to be a question somewhere in there.

      Finally, how would Republicans feel if the situation were reversed, and Democrats voted in solid blocks against every legislation that they had participated in negotiations on? Republicans keep doing this, and then wonder why they are labeled the “party of no” and without ideas. Is “obstructionist” a term only applicable to Democrats?

      I probably went overboard in my criticism of your comments. I admit I probably went overboard and was a bit wrong. When was the last time you admitted you were wrong? I notice both sides refuse to eat crow and never admit they were wrong about anything. I see you are doing the same.

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      35 Robert Stevenson August 6, 2010 at 1:41 pm

      You ask when was the last time I admitted I was wrong, well look above and you’ll see in the post dated July 10, 2010 at 1:08 p.m. I don’t pretend to have all the answers, and I don’t in my wildest dreams believe the Republicans are sacrosanct regarding their record with regard to the economy. I’d just as soon see the whole bunch of them out of office, Democrats and Republicans. But, I do say when you look at what the current administration is doing to our economy the progressives are not the answer either. Never in history has the socialistic/Marxist agenda worked or endured, and in the process it has been extremely repressive to the people who exist under it’s rule, i.e. the Soviet Union. Obama said in that political expose he held with the Republicans, more to showcase his alleged bipartisanship than to listen to what they had to say, that “when suggestions were made concerning the economy, ” I showed it to my economists they had data to show why it would not work, or it was too vague.” Well just how well do you think they did in evaluating his strategy and how it would work for us. Up to now I’d have to say it has been a dismal failure at best. And how do you think it plays to the American people? Look at his plummeting poll numbers, and his total disconnect and arrogance when it comes to the will of the people, regarding health care, financial reform, the economy, taxes, the stimulus package, immigration, and the list goes on. He is completely out of touch with the people. Explain to me why, for the sake of change alone, this President feels compelled to change a system of government which has given us the greatest freedoms, prosperity, and opportunities at any time in the history of the world. If government would stay out of the free market capitalistic system it would work just fine. They just manage to “screw it up” with rules and regulations which far surpass their constitutional authority to impose. He also has said you’ll know me by the people I surround myself with., Now that’s even a scarier thought! Communists, Transnationalist, Socialist, Eugenicists, and political radicals. If you couple that with the lack of leadership we’ve all witnessed surrounding the Gulf Oil spill, one has to wonder where are those leadership qualities we expect from a President. I never again want to hear one word about Bush and Katrina after this recent fiasco. He may be well intentioned, I can’t see into his mind, but he is doing irreparable harm to this nation both economically as well as to this country’s reputation around the world. We are seen as a shadow of the Super Power we once were thought to be, and as a weak sister by the Arab nations. So obviously you have a different take on the current state of affairs, and agenda, and that is your prerogative, but we have the right to disagree without being labeled as the party of no, or those with no new ideas, or all the other labels being bandied around. Conservatives and Tea Party members are not necessarily Republicans by any stretch of the imagination anyway. Maybe it would be a rather unique concept to simply come together as Americans for a change, and discuss those areas of disagreement rationally, and civilly. I don’t anticipate it happening in the current mood we see today in this country, but it sure would be refreshing.

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